Meta once pulled the plug on two agents that started negotiating with each other in a made-up language involving balls and balloons. That's the kind of tangent Tay Pattison and River Roberts end up on in the debut of The Great Spin Up — a podcast about building toward an abundant future, recorded from opposite ends of a Bali cafe over construction noise and techno.
River walks through standing up a Hermes agent on a $10/month Hetzner VPS, routed through Telegram, running open-source models via OpenRouter, plus the SSH headaches that came with it. Tay breaks down his current stack — Claude Code in terminal, Cline for parallel feature work, Claude Design for filling in missing UI screens — and why running through the Max Plan beats paying per token on the API.
They get into 45-minute sprints vs burnout marathons, the Mum Test for early feedback, build gates for killing bad ideas, Martec's Law, and why agents might soon market to other agents instead of humans. Plus six-month predictions: agent CEOs, talking to animals, and a wallet Tay left in Portugal six months ago and hasn't needed since.